I am a busy woman. In the sex/gender debate so many of the same – often rather stupid and certainly tiresome – points are made by those who think women should always do what they are told by men.
Here are my answers. There should be a sort of virtual card which could be used to end the debate without unnecessarily wasting time. Debating with those who long ago lost, if they ever had it, the ability to think or argue consistently, coherently or at all is like nailing jelly to a wall. So much easier to just point and say “Ah, yes – number 4: there is your answer.”
Feel free to suggest any I have left out.
1. Why are you so bothered by such a tiny group / unimportant issue / toxic culture war?
Well, if by “tiny group” you mean those who are trans, then let’s turn the question right back at you. Why is it necessary to upend law, language and social convention for their benefit given that they have (and have had since 1999) the same legal rights as others?
If by “tiny” you mean women, they are 51% of the population so they are not a “tiny group” nor are their rights an “unimportant issue”.
As for culture war, see above. It is not women who started this fight to maintain their rights. Any culture war was started by those who sought to deprive women of hard fought for, long-standing rights contained in laws passed by Parliament and confirmed by the courts, who did so by providing misleading information and legal advice and who sought to make it difficult, if not impossible, for women to object or indeed get involved at all. It is this which has now made the issue “toxic”. “No Debate” is a clever slogan but the very antithesis of what should happen in a democracy.
2. It is cis men who are a threat to women. Not TW.
They are one and the same: both members of the male sex.
3. No TW has ever assaulted a woman in a toilet or other female only space.
Untrue. Lots of examples – here and in other countries. See Katie Dolatowski, for instance.
4. There have been no problems anywhere where self-ID has been introduced.
Also untrue. Lots of examples – here – where it has been de facto introduced (even though it has never been lawful anywhere in the UK) in some sectors/organisations and in countries where it has been introduced legally.
5. TW are not a threat to women.
There is no evidence supporting this statement. Some individual TW may not be in the same way as many individual men are not a risk. But the issue is whether as a category this can be said of TW. It can’t.
There is no evidence to suggest that a man “identifying” as a woman thereby reduces a man’s risk to women or his propensity to carry out crimes. That propensity is – at the least – the same as other men. It may in fact be greater.
For instance, judging by the latest figures from the Ministry of Justice, a far greater proportion of TW prisoners are sexual offenders than male prisoners or female ones. It is possible that some of these male sex offenders claiming to be women are pretending to be trans. How we can tell the difference between men pretending to be women and men pretending to pretend to be women has yet to be explained. It is the 21st century’s version of arguments about angels dancing on the heads of pins.
There is old research suggesting that transvestism may be a potential red flag for sexual crimes. And it may well be that men who are willing – or demanding – to breach women’s boundaries, regardless of women’s own feelings or consent, are more likely to carry out such crimes. It is legitimate – and necessary from any sensible safeguarding perspective – to ask whether a man who will not respect a woman’s boundaries will respect other limitations imposed by law. The answer is not obviously “yes”. It may be more likely to be “no”. At any event, further research is needed in this area, including into the phenomenon of Prison-Onset-Gender-Dysphoria.
6. So if security can be resolved, there is no problem, right?
No. Security is not the only consideration. There are also the requirements of dignity and privacy.
More fundamentally, this is about a woman’s autonomy and choice, about accepting that women are entitled to have boundaries and to have them respected. The claim that only security matters is premised on the assumption that a woman cannot choose for herself who she associates with or be present with in moments of intimacy and vulnerability. It denies women autonomy, choice and the right to say “No” without question. It is – in short – a bare-faced assault on the very idea of a woman having boundaries, on “No means No”.
7. The Supreme Court judgment bans trans people from loos, changing rooms, sport etc.
No it doesn’t. No-one is banned. They are simply asked to use the facilities for their sex or unisex ones. In sport they are required to compete in their sex category to ensure that female sport is fair.
8. Trans people will be forced to stay at home if TW cannot use women’s spaces.
No they won’t. See the answer to no. 7.
Note how those worrying about the effect on TW were utterly indifferent to the effect on women of not having single sex spaces – not just the effect on those forced to use mixed sex spaces against their will but the women who self-excluded for a variety of reasons. They were invisible. No-one noticed those who did not go to places or restricted their movements (“the urinary leash”) and no-one cared.
The practical answer to the fears expressed in nos 7 and 8 is to have both single sex spaces and unisex ones and clarity about who is and is not permitted in each.
9. Trans people have been using women’s loos and other spaces for ages.
This is the equivalent of saying that people have been committing murder, shoplifting and sexual assault for ages. It doesn’t make it lawful. Nor is it an argument for not having laws against such behaviour and seeking to enforce them.
It also ignores the fact that in the past those doing so were likely to be very few in number and to have had surgery. Since then the term “trans” has been expanded so far as to be largely meaningless. It certainly incorporates sex offenders mysteriously discovering their “inner woman” when charged or convicted, men with sexual fetishes and those who enjoy making women feel uncomfortable. The “trans” population is wider, ever increasing and is being extended to men who, by any definition at all, should be considered a potential risk to women.
10. No-one’s complained.
Yeah right – a woman is going to complain to a man who is physically stronger than he and who has breached her boundaries. No – she won’t. She will get the hell out of there because she knows how to risk assess, even if the authorities have abandoned this concept.
Any woman who does complain faces insults, harassment, ostracism and sometimes investigation and disciplinary action. Note also that if a woman does complain she is sometimes then accused of “harassing” the man who has breached her boundaries – see the trans barrister, R M White, who deliberately used the female facilities in Parliament (despite unisex facilities being available next door) then claimed “harassment” against the two women challenging him. This claim – which those making it seem to think is a “Gotcha” moment – is no more than “tails I win, heads you lose”.
Acquiescence for fear of what might happen otherwise is not consent. Nor is it evidence of approval.
11. Trans people are being denied rights / having their rights taken away.
No, they aren’t. No, they haven’t. This was made pellucidly clear in the Supreme Court judgment and by Lord Hodge in a subsequent interview. They have exactly the same legal rights as everyone else. Demands are not rights. The right to be in a space, service or association for the opposite sex is not a human right of any kind. The ECHR has ruled that being forced to undress in front of a member of the opposite sex is a breach of a person’s human rights.
12. Why do women object to sharing a changing room with a TW? They can avert their eyes.
This assumes that:
(a) women are obliged to get undressed or perform intimate bodily tasks or watch men get undressed and see them in intimate and potentially sexually aroused circumstances, if a man claiming to identify as a woman demands it, regardless of their own wishes; and
(b) if they wish to be excused this “obligation”, they must justify this by having to explain in humiliating public detail the reasons why not eg their menstrual condition, sexual abuse and so on.
This is nonsense.
No woman is obliged to be in any intimate situation at all with anyone, unless she freely consents. Nor is she – or should she be – required to undergo intrusive, personal and humiliating questioning in order to justify her right to personal bodily and psychological privacy and dignity.
There is no human right to watch a woman undress or to be present during her toilette or other intimate situation. Voyeurism and indecent exposure are criminal offences and may be indications of a propensity to commit more serious sexual crimes. Such behaviour may also amount to sexual harassment.
13. Not everywhere has a unisex space.
Indeed not. Perhaps the last decade might have been better used to campaign for such spaces to be widely available. In any event, a lockable single user cubicle is an alternative.
14. You’ll need toilet monitors / to check people’s genitalia.
Neither of these are necessary. (Most changing rooms do in fact have people checking who is going in.) First, it is very easy indeed to “sex” someone without needing to see them naked. It is done automatically and in seconds. Men claiming to be women do not “pass”, however much they like to think they do. Second, whether or not they have had surgery is irrelevant to what sex they are, which remains the sex they were born as. See also nos. 15 and 17 below.
15. You can’t enforce this. People won’t comply.
The fact that any law or social convention is not 100% enforceable or enforced all the time is no reason to abandon them. This view assumes that trans people will not comply and that they are, ipso facto, predators. It is really rather insulting about trans people and, if true, reinforces precisely the concerns that many women have. I prefer to believe that those who are genuinely dysphoric will comply, especially if appropriate facilities are made available. Those who do not or proudly proclaim they will not out themselves as predators and should be dealt with accordingly.
Second, laws and social conventions are enforced not simply through legal action but through challenges by people on the ground who will be more likely to do so, knowing that they have the law on their side, and that they will not be attacked if they insist that these conventions and laws be complied with.
Third, employers are well able to deal with employees not following company procedures. They also have an interest in doing so. See also no. 16.
16. This is an unnecessary burden on employers and service providers
No, it isn’t. The law has been in place since 2010 and the social conventions it embodied in place for decades before then. Employers also have separate and similar obligations under other legislation e.g. health and safety legislation and school-specific laws. Since October 2024 employers have also been under a duty to take reasonable steps to prevent sexual harassment of employees.
Compliance with the law is not an unnecessary burden. It is the sine qua non of being in business. It is a legal requirement placed on directors of organisations, often a condition of insurance policies and may also be a regulatory requirement. It is also inherent in the Values and Mission statements made by firms.
17. What about men who have had full surgery? Why shouldn’t we treat them differently to other TW?
There is no reason to treat them differently. They are still a member of the male sex because surgery cannot change sex, even if it can change certain external bodily characteristics. In any event, surgery is their choice. People have to accept the consequences for them of their choice. What they cannot do is insist that others must also accept those consequences or give up their rights to accommodate a third party’s choice
If surgery makes them happy, good luck to them. But since it is not – and cannot be – a legal requirement either in the UK or under the ECHR (nor can it change biological reality) that choice cannot lead to legal consequences diminishing others’ rights. (Worth noting that making surgery any sort of precondition would necessitate intrusive physical examination, which is precisely what is objected to. See no. 14 above.)
What can be done is provide the appropriate facilities ie unisex facilities for them so that they are not obliged to use male facilities if they do not want to. This is not a difficult task. And certainly not as difficult as some make out. The objection to doing so is a case of “won’t” rather than “can’t“.
The law also ensures they are not subject to discrimination, direct or indirect.
18. What’s the problem with just having one or two men (those calling themselves TW) in a women-only space?
A single sex space is an exception to the principle of non-discrimination set out in the Equality Act. So those providing such a space must comply precisely with the terms of that exception. Otherwise the service provider has no valid defence to a claim of unlawful discrimination by those excluded eg other men. Once you let one man in, you have to let any man in. It is no longer a single sex space. A trans-inclusive space is a mixed sex space.
19. Men might not like having TW in with them.
They should learn to be inclusive and kind.
20. Men might attack TW.
Yes – male violence against violence against TW may well be a problem. It is not one which women are obliged to solve.
21. Everyone has a gender neutral toilet at home. What’s your problem?
Good-oh: make your address public, opening hours, parking restrictions, cleaning regime, where to find the house keys etc., so anyone in the vicinity can use it. If not, you are stating that only those you invite into your home can use it. “By invitation only” completely undermines your case.
22. Having men in women’s sport is no different to having an exceptional sportsman or woman.
An argument put forward by those who do not understand the difference between categories separated on the basis of a relevant characteristic (age / sex / weight, for instance) and an exceptional member within that category.
The reason for a separate female only sporting category is fairness.
23. What about this Regulatory Impact Assessment then?
One was done before the Equality Act was implemented in December 2009. It can be found here – https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7ce15140f0b6629523c5ca/9780108508721.pdf.
There is no requirement to have one 15 years or more after the Act was implemented.
24. There is no requirement under the Equality Act to have single sex spaces. What will you do if they are all unisex (ha ha)?
The first sentence is true. But it ignores separate provisions applying to schools and employers under health and safety and other legislation which do mandate single sex spaces in particular circumstances. It also ignores the fact that a failure to provide such spaces may amount to direct or indirect discrimination.
25. Men can be lesbians.
No, they can’t. This is the 21st century’s equivalent of “You haven’t met/been fucked by the right man yet.” It is coercive nonsense. No-one is obliged to be attracted to or have sex with anyone they are not attracted to or don’t want to have sex with. If that makes the rejected person feel sad, tough. Those who seek to overcome that refusal through “education” or otherwise are behaving in a coercive and predatory manner.
26. The EHRC is a “hate” group.
No it isn’t. You are confusing “disagreement” with “hate”. The EHRC’s role is with regard to all those with any of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act, not just one group. There is no hierarchy. Those who complain about it are annoyed that they are now being told that there is no hierarchy with them at the top of it. Tough.
They also never had a problem when the EHRC was led for four years by a former Chair of Stonewall and was a member of Stonewall’s schemes. Both of these created an obvious conflict of interest and perception of one, which should never have been allowed to exist or continue as long as it did.
27. The Supreme Court did not consider the human rights angle in its judgment.
Yes it did. This has been well explained by Michael Foran in his various writings.
28. The Supreme Court did not hear from “trans” people or their “lived experience”.
The court hears legal arguments not evidence. Arguments for the “trans” side were put in great detail by the Scottish government and Amnesty International. No-one has set out what winning arguments were not put by those arguing on behalf of them. Trans charities/lobby groups had an opportunity to apply to be heard. They did not do so.
Worth noting that the ECHR “Goodwin” case which eventually led to the 1999 Regulations and then the Gender Recognition Act did not hear from any women at all and did not even mention them. If not being heard at all is fatal to a judgment, then it is the Goodwin judgment which is first in the firing line.
29. Trans people have Article 8 ECHR rights. The Supreme Court judgment denies them these rights.
Yes they do. But so do women. They also have rights under Article 3. The judgment does not deny trans people their Article 8 rights because Article 8 does not give men who claim to be women the right to deny women their Article 8 rights or to subject them to conduct which breaches Article 3. As it stated, trans people – ie those falling within the gender reassignment protected characteristic – have the same rights as those with other protected characteristics
30. This will lead to a “trans genocide”.
Now you’re just being silly.
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